BTW- The PC we got from Fujitsu/Siemens has a bad mobo, I think. The IDE channels are really flakey, and after a couple days, the Bios couldn't detect anything on the IDE channels any more (I tried different cables, drives, power supply, etc.). The PC looked like it had been repackaged a number of times and shipped around. It probably was returned to them as a faulty machine, and eventually made its way to us. Oh well. At least there is the case, RAM, CPU, power supply, etc. which I can probably recycle into a new box. Phil -- Philip Edelbrock -- IS Manager -- Edge Design, Corvallis, OR phil at netroedge.com -- http://www.netroedge.com/~phil PGP F16: 01 D2 FD 01 B5 46 F4 F0 3A 8B 9D 7E 14 7F FB 7A