* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:27:10AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > Create a new "ORC" unwinder, enabled by CONFIG_ORC_UNWINDER, and plug it
> > > into the x86 unwinder framework. Objtool is used to generate the ORC
> > > debuginfo. The ORC debuginfo format is basically a simplified version
> > > of DWARF CFI. More details below.
> >
> > BTW., we should perhaps consolidate our unwinder related Kconfig space,
> > hierarchically:
> >
> > CONFIG_UNWINDER
> > CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC
> > CONFIG_UNWINDER_FRAME_POINTERS
> >
> > Note that as a side effect it would be a valid small systems build option to have
> > no unwinder at all, if CONFIG_EXPERT=y is set and such: !CONFIG_UNWINDER=n would
> > be a sibling to !CONFIG_BUG.
>
> So is the idea that CONFIG_UNWINDER=n means "use the 'guess' unwinder"?
> Or should it mean that the unwind API isn't available?
>
> Without frame pointers and orc, it defaults to the 'guess' unwinder, for
> which the only overhead is a tiny amount of code. It's still
> technically considered an unwinder because it plugs into the unwind
> interfaces (unwind_start(), unwind_next_frame(), etc) and is used for
> things like /proc/<pid>/stack.
>
> So I'm not really sure CONFIG_UNWINDER=n would make sense. Maybe there
> should just be a multiple-choice where you have to choose one of
> CONFIG_UNWINDER_{ORC,FRAME_POINTER,GUESS}.
Ok, you are right.
Maybe we could offer a menu of unwinders - i.e. make the whole Kconfig interface a
bit nicer:
CONFIG_UNWINDER_FRAME_POINTER
CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC
CONFIG_UNWINDER_GUESS
... or so?
Default would be the historic FRAME_POINTER, at least initially, I think.
I wouldn't mind making CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC the new default either, due to the
non-trivial speedup it offers - but maybe folks would object?
> > CONFIG_FRAME_POINTERS et al would be left for architectures where it has a meaning
> > beyond backtrace generation. (Not sure whether there's any such architectures.)
>
> Well, on x86, hardened usercopy relies on frame pointers, but not the
> unwinder. It does the frame pointer walk manually to avoid the full
> unwinder overhead. See arch_within_stack_frames().
Oh well...
> Ok, how about:
>
> "Orc unwind tables take up ~50% more RAM (+1.3MB on an x86 defconfig
> kernel) than DWARF eh_frame tables."
>
> (My previous 1MB number was from my distro-based config, and it also
> forgot to take into account the fast lookup table (".orc_lookup")).
Sounds good to me!
Thanks,
Ingo
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