On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:27:38PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 08:13:15AM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 3:38 AM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 10:58:43AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote: > > > > On Mon 03-06-24 10:42:59, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > > > > I do -- allowing unpriviledged users to create symlinks that consume > > > > > icount (and possibly bcount) in the root project breaks the entire > > > > > enforcement mechanism. That's not the way that project quota has worked > > > > > on xfs and it would be quite rude to nullify the PROJINHERIT flag bit > > > > > only for these special cases. > > > > > > > > OK, fair enough. I though someone will hate this. I'd just like to > > > > understand one thing: Owner of the inode can change the project ID to 0 > > > > anyway so project quotas are more like a cooperative space tracking scheme > > > > anyway. If you want to escape it, you can. So what are you exactly worried > > > > about? Is it the container usecase where from within the user namespace you > > > > cannot change project IDs? > > > > > > Yep. > > > > > > > Anyway I just wanted to have an explicit decision that the simple solution > > > > is not good enough before we go the more complex route ;). > > > > > > Also, every now and then someone comes along and half-proposes making it > > > so that non-root cannot change project ids anymore. Maybe some day that > > > will succeed. > > > > > > > I'd just like to point out that the purpose of the project quotas feature > > as I understand it, is to apply quotas to subtrees, where container storage > > is a very common private case of project subtree. > > That is the most modern use case, yes. > > [ And for a walk down history lane.... ] Could you take all your institutional knowledge and paste it into a Documentation/ file that we can use as a starting point for what exactly does the project quota design do, please? I'm betting the other two filesystems that implement it (ext4/f2fs) don't quite implement the same behaviors. --D > > The purpose is NOT to create a "project" of random files in random > > paths. > > This is *exactly* the original use case that project quotas were > designed for back on Irix in the early 1990s and is the original > behaviour project quotas brought to Linux. > > Project quota inheritance didn't come along until 2005: > > commit 65f1866a3a8e512d43795c116bfef262e703b789 > Author: Nathan Scott <nathans@xxxxxxx> > Date: Fri Jun 3 06:04:22 2005 +0000 > > Add support for project quota inheritance, a merge of Glens changes. > Merge of xfs-linux-melb:xfs-kern:22806a by kenmcd. > > And full support for directory tree quotas using project IDs wasn't > fully introduced until a year later in 2006: > > commit 4aef4de4d04bcc36a1461c100eb940c162fd5ee6 > Author: Nathan Scott <nathans@xxxxxxx> > Date: Tue May 30 15:54:53 2006 +0000 > > statvfs component of directory/project quota support, code originally by Glen. > Merge of xfs-linux-melb:xfs-kern:26105a by kenmcd. > > These changes were largely done for an SGI NAS product that allowed > us to create one great big XFS filesystem and then create > arbitrarily sized, thin provisoned "NFS volumes" as directory > quota controlled subdirs instantenously. The directory tree quota > defined the size of the volume, and so we could also grow and shrink > them instantenously, too. And we could remove them instantenously > via background garbage collection after the export was removed and > the user had been told it had been destroyed. > > So that was the original use case for directory tree quotas on XFS - > providing scalable, fast management of "thin" storage for a NAS > product. Projects quotas had been used for accounting random > colections of files for over a decade before this directory quota > construct was created, and the "modern" container use cases for > directory quotas didn't come along until almost a decade after this > capability was added. > > > My point is that changing the project id of a non-dir child to be different > > from the project id of its parent is a pretty rare use case (I think?). > > Not if you are using project quotas as they were originally intended > to be used. > > > If changing the projid of non-dir is needed for moving it to a > > different subtree, > > we could allow renameat2(2) of non-dir with no hardlinks to implicitly > > change its > > inherited project id or explicitly with a flag for a hardlink, e.g.: > > renameat2(olddirfd, name, newdirfd, name, RENAME_NEW_PROJID). > > Why? > > The only reason XFS returns -EXDEV to rename across project IDs is > because nobody wanted to spend the time to work out how to do the > quota accounting of the metadata changed in the rename operation > accurately. So for that rare case (not something that would happen > on the NAS product) we returned -EXDEV to trigger the mv command to > copy the file to the destination and then unlink the source instead, > thereby handling all the quota accounting correctly. > > IOWs, this whole "-EXDEV on rename across parent project quota > boundaries" is an implementation detail and nothing more. > Filesystems that implement project quotas and the directory tree > sub-variant don't need to behave like this if they can accurately > account for the quota ID changes during an atomic rename operation. > If that's too hard, then the fallback is to return -EXDEV and let > userspace do it the slow way which will always acocunt the resource > usage correctly to the individual projects. > > Hence I think we should just fix the XFS kernel behaviour to do the > right thing in this special file case rather than return -EXDEV and > then forget about the rest of it. Sure, update xfs_repair to fix the > special file project id issue if it trips over it, but other than > that I don't think we need anything more. If fixing it requires new > syscalls and tools, then that's much harder to backport to old > kernels and distros than just backporting a couple of small XFS > kernel patches... > > -Dave. > -- > Dave Chinner > david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >
