On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 at 13:26, Dave Chinner <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The problem is the first read request after a modification has been > made. That is causing relatime to see mtime > atime and triggering > an atime update. XFS sees this, does an atime update, and in > committing that persistent inode metadata update, it calls > inode_maybe_inc_iversion(force = false) to check if an iversion > update is necessary. The VFS sees I_VERSION_QUERIED, and so it bumps > i_version and tells XFS to persist it. Could we perhaps just have a mode where we don't increment i_version for just atime updates? Maybe we don't even need a mode, and could just decide that atime updates aren't i_version updates at all? Yes, yes, it's obviously technically a "inode modification", but does anybody actually *want* atime updates with no actual other changes to be version events? Or maybe i_version can update, but callers of getattr() could have two bits for that STATX_CHANGE_COOKIE, one for "I care about atime" and one for others, and we'd pass that down to inode_query_version, and we'd have a I_VERSION_QUERIED and a I_VERSION_QUERIED_STRICT, and the "I care about atime" case ould set the strict one. Then inode_maybe_inc_iversion() could - for atome updates - skip the version update *unless* it sees that I_VERSION_QUERIED_STRICT bit. Does that sound sane to people? Because it does sound completely insane to me to say "inode changed" and have a cache invalidation just for an atime update. Linus