Hi, For things like database journals using fallocate(0) is not sufficient, as writing into the the pre-allocated data with O_DIRECT | O_DSYNC writes requires the unwritten extents to be converted, which in turn requires journal operations. The performance difference in a journalling workload (lots of sequential, low-iodepth, often small, writes) is quite remarkable. Even on quite fast devices: andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ grep /mnt/t3 /proc/mounts /dev/nvme1n1 /mnt/t3 xfs rw,relatime,attr2,inode64,logbufs=8,logbsize=32k,noquota 0 0 andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ fallocate -l $((1024*1024*1024)) test_file andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ dd if=/dev/zero of=test_file bs=4096 conv=notrunc iflag=count_bytes count=$((1024*1024*1024)) oflag=direct,dsync 262144+0 records in 262144+0 records out 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 117.587 s, 9.1 MB/s andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ dd if=/dev/zero of=test_file bs=4096 conv=notrunc iflag=count_bytes count=$((1024*1024*1024)) oflag=direct,dsync 262144+0 records in 262144+0 records out 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 3.69125 s, 291 MB/s andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ fallocate -z -l $((1024*1024*1024)) test_file andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ dd if=/dev/zero of=test_file bs=4096 conv=notrunc iflag=count_bytes count=$((1024*1024*1024)) oflag=direct,dsync z262144+0 records in 262144+0 records out 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 109.398 s, 9.8 MB/s andres@awork3:/mnt/t3$ dd if=/dev/zero of=test_file bs=4096 conv=notrunc iflag=count_bytes count=$((1024*1024*1024)) oflag=direct,dsync 262144+0 records in 262144+0 records out 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 3.76166 s, 285 MB/s The way around that, from a database's perspective, is obviously to just overwrite the file "manually" after fallocate()ing it, utilizing larger writes, and then to recycle the file. But that's a fair bit of unnecessary IO from userspace, and it's IO that the kernel can do more efficiently on a number of types of block devices, e.g. by utilizing write-zeroes. Which brings me to $subject: Would it make sense to add a variant of FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE that doesn't convert extents into unwritten extents, but instead uses blkdev_issue_zeroout() if supported? Mostly interested in xfs/ext4 myself, but ... Doing so as a variant of FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE seems to make the most sense, as that'd work reasonably efficiently to initialize newly allocated space as well as for zeroing out previously used file space. As blkdev_issue_zeroout() already has a fallback path it seems this should be doable without too much concern for which devices have write zeroes, and which do not? Greetings, Andres Freund