Hi, I have a question for everyone-- do FICLONE and FICLONERANGE count as a "write operation" for the purposes of reasoning about O_SYNC and O_DSYNC? In other words, is it supposed to be the case that (paraphrasing the open(2) manpage) "By the time ioctl(FICLONE) returns, the output data and associated file metadata have been transferred to the underlying hardware (i.e., as though each ioctl(FICLONE) was followed by a call to fsync(2))."? If I open a file with O_SYNC, call FICLONE to reflink some data blocks into that file, and hit the reset button as soon as the ioctl call returns, should I expect that I will always see the new file contents in that file after the system comes back up? Or am I required to fsync() the file despite O_SYNC being set? The reason I ask is that (a) reflinking can definitely change the file contents which seems like a write operation; and (b) we wrote a test to examine the copy_file_range() semantics wrt O_SYNC and discovered that an unaligned c_f_r through the splice code does indeed honor the documented O_SYNC semantics, but a block-aligned c_f_r that uses reflink does *not* honor this. So, that's inconsistent behavior and I want to know if remap_file_range is broken or if we all just don't care about O_SYNC for these fancy IO accelerators? I tend to think reflink is broken on XFS, but I converted that O_SYNC test into a fstest and discovered that none of XFS, btrfs, or ocfs2 actually force the fs to persist metadata changes after reflinking into an O_SYNC file. The manpages for the clone ioctls and copy_file_range don't explicitly declare those calls to be "write operations". FWIW I repeated the analysis with a file that had FS_XFLAG_SYNC or FS_SYNC_FL set on the inode but O_SYNC was not set on the fd, and observed the same results. --D