On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:07:55AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote: > On 02/15/2018 11:30 PM, Dave Chinner wrote: > >On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:36:54AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote: > >>On 02/15/2018 01:56 AM, Dave Chinner wrote: > >>A little bird whispered in my ear to try XFS_IOC_OPEN_BY_HANDLE to > >>avoid the the time update lock, so we'll be trying that next, to > >>emulate lazytime. > >Biggest problem with that is it requires root permissions. It's not > >a solution that can be deployed in practice, so I haven't bothered > >suggesting it as something to try. > > > >If you want to try lazytime, an easier test might be to rebuild the > >kernel with this change below to support the lazytime mount option > >and not log the timestamp updates. This is essentially the mechanism > >that I'll use for this, but it will need to grow more stuff to have > >the correct lazytime semantics... > > > > We tried open by handle to see if lazytime would provide relief, but > it looks like it just pushes the lock acquisition to another place: Whack-a-mole. This is the whole problem with driving the "nowait" semantics into the filesystem implementations - every time we fix one blocking point, we find a deeper one, and we have to drive the "nowait" semantics deeper into code that should not have to care about IO level blocking semantics. And by doing it in a "slap-a-bandaid on it" process, we end up with spagetti code that is fragile and unmaintainable... > However, that function can EAGAIN (it does for IOLOCK) so maybe we > can change xfs_ilock to xfs_ilock_nowait and teach it about not > waiting for ILOCK too. If only it were that simple. Why, exactly, does the direct IO write code require the ILOCK exclusive? Indeed, if it goes to allocate blocks, we do this: /* * xfs_iomap_write_direct() expects the shared lock. It * is unlocked on return. */ if (lockmode == XFS_ILOCK_EXCL) xfs_ilock_demote(ip, lockmode); We demote the lock to shared before we call into the allocation code. And for pure direct IO writes, all we care about is ensuring the extent map does not change while we do the lookup and check. That only requires a shared lock. So now I've got to go work out why need_excl_ilock() says we need an exclusive ilock for direct IO writes when it looks pretty clear to me that we don't. But that's only half the problem. The other problem is that even if we take it shared, we're still going to block on IO completion taking the ILOCK exclusive to do things like unwritten extent completion. So we still need to hack about with "trylock" operations into functions into various functions (xfs_ilock_data_map_shared() for one). What a mess.... Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-xfs" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html