Hi, I'm still investigating on that problem but have such a hard time reproducing it that I thought maybe someone here could help. I have a testbed of three nodes in IBSS (using carl9170 from compat-wireless' latest snapshot), that happen to go into suspend-to-ram quite often. Sometimes it appears one of the nodes just can't "see" some other node. Then tcpdump doesn't see it either, but another vif in monitor mode sees everyone just fine. I activated as much debug options as I could and I saw something quite strange in the kernel messages (just after the node goes back from suspend-to-ram): [16226.464987] ieee80211 phy14: device no longer idle - in use [16226.465043] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=0) [16226.465055] sta_find_ibss: selected 83:12:97:63:54:f2 current 00:00:00:00:00:00 [16226.465063] wlan1: Selected IBSS BSSID 83:12:97:63:54:f2 based on configured SSID [16226.632608] ieee80211 phy14: Adding new IBSS station 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 (dev=wlan1) [16226.632648] ieee80211 phy14: Allocated STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16226.633549] ieee80211 phy14: Added IBSS STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16226.633598] wlan1: No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS networks with same SSID (merge) [16226.633626] ieee80211 phy14: Finished adding IBSS STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16226.948957] ieee80211 phy14: Adding new IBSS station 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 (dev=wlan1) [16226.949004] ieee80211 phy14: Allocated STA 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 [16226.950495] ieee80211 phy14: Added IBSS STA 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 [16226.950593] ieee80211 phy14: Finished adding IBSS STA 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 [16228.050250] wlan1: updated supp_rates set for 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 based on beacon/probe_resp (0x1 -> 0xfff) [16229.180184] ieee80211 phy14: Removed STA 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 [16229.180339] ieee80211 phy14: Destroyed STA 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5 [16229.196176] ieee80211 phy14: Removed STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16229.196322] ieee80211 phy14: Destroyed STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16229.199085] ieee80211 phy14: Adding new IBSS station 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 (dev=wlan1) [16229.199113] ieee80211 phy14: Allocated STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16229.199845] ieee80211 phy14: Added IBSS STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16229.212204] ieee80211 phy14: device now idle [16229.212222] ieee80211 phy14: Finished adding IBSS STA 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 [16229.212909] ieee80211 phy14: device no longer idle - in use [16229.212956] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1) [16229.277675] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1) [16229.311661] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1) [16229.379920] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1) [16229.414232] wlan1: sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1) ... the following is just a long stream of sta_find_ibss (active_ibss=1). >From that point on, the interface sees 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 but not 00:24:b2:5c:bb:b5. BTW, why are both neighbors removed? When this problem is not appearing, both neighbors are still removed, but they're both added immediately after that (and there's no stream of sta_find_ibss). Here only 00:26:f2:ed:60:f9 is added back. As I read the code in net/mac80211/ibss.c to try to understand how things work, I noticed the following in ieee80211_sta_find_ibss(). Apparently the function does nothing if the call to ieee80211_sta_active_ibss() returns non-zero, i.e. the last received frame from a known station was too recent. So I wonder, what happens if state somehow becomes IEEE80211_IBSS_MLME_SEARCH and a neighbor station is sending plenty of frames. Apparently we don't come out of this state, since we don't get a chance to set it back to IEEE80211_IBSS_MLME_JOINED. Am I obviously missing something here? I can't confirm right now that this is indeed what's happening, but I'll post more information as soon as possible. Besides, if anyone has any suggestion regarding what additional debug info could be useful, please go ahead. Thanks, Ignacy -- NO CARRIER -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html