On 14.10.24 11:32, Kalle Valo wrote:
Philipp Hortmann <philipp.g.hortmann@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
origin of this question was the following patch series from Arnd Bergmann
[PATCH 00/10] Remove obsolete and orphaned wifi drivers
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-staging/20231023131953.2876682-1-arnd@xxxxxxxxxx/
Here the remaining files that use iw_handler_def:
drivers/net/ethernet/toshiba/ps3_gelic_wireless.c:static const struct
iw_handler_def gelic_wl_wext_handler_def = {
drivers/net/wireless/intel/ipw2x00/ipw2100.c:static const struct
iw_handler_def ipw2100_wx_handler_def;
drivers/net/wireless/intel/ipw2x00/ipw2100.c:static const struct
iw_handler_def ipw2100_wx_handler_def = {
drivers/net/wireless/intel/ipw2x00/ipw2200.c:static const struct
iw_handler_def ipw_wx_handler_def = {
drivers/staging/rtl8712/os_intfs.c: pnetdev->wireless_handlers =
(struct iw_handler_def *)
drivers/staging/rtl8712/rtl871x_ioctl.h:extern struct iw_handler_def
r871x_handlers_def;
drivers/staging/rtl8712/rtl871x_ioctl_linux.c:struct iw_handler_def
r871x_handlers_def = {
In this Email Greg writes over rtl8192e:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-staging/2024100810-payback-suds-8c15@gregkh/
"...
No staging driver should ever get in the way of api changes elsewhere in
the kernel, that's one of the rules of this part of the tree. So from
my opinion, it's fine to delete it now. It can always come back in a
new way later on.
..."
So it should not be an issue to remove rtl8712.
Stefan Lippers-Hollmann was one year ago still using the ipw2200.
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-staging/20231024014302.0a0b79b0@mir/
Here my opinion why I think we should reconsider this:
I really like to use old hardware. One of my computers is from trash
and the other one is bought for 50€ three years ago. But non of my
hardware is from before 2012. Do we as a community really need to
support hardware from 2003 in kernel 6.13 for WLAN that evolved so
rapidly? I do not think so.
People around me are complaining that the 2,4GHz WLAN is difficult to
use because so many devices are using it. Such slow devices consume a
lot of time to send and receive the data and block therefore other
devices.
The longterm kernels will still support this hardware for years.
Please explain to our very high value resources (Maintainers,
Developers with wext and mac80211 expierience) that you cannot find
any other solution that is within technical possibility and budget
(USB WLAN Stick or exchange of WLAN module) and that they need to
invest their time for maintenance.
Here the example of invested time from Johannes Berg:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241007213525.8b2d52b60531.I6a27aaf30bded9a0977f07f47fba2bd31a3b3330@changeid/
I cannot ask the Linux kernel community to support my test hardware
just because I bought it some time ago. Rather, I have to show that I
use it for private or business purposes on a regular basis and that I
cannot easily change.
Using this hardware is security wise not state of the art as WPA3 is
not supported. We put so much effort into security. Why not here?
I didn't quite get what you are saying here, are you proposing that we
should remove ancient drivers faster?
Hi Kalle,
I propose to delete the last three drivers that are using wireless
extension:
ps3_gelic_wireless
ipw2x00
rtl8712
Thanks for your response.
Bye Philipp
