The initial debate was well covered in this lwn article: https://lwn.net/Articles/783673/ There's been much work since, code submitted for review, lots of bugs fixed, tons of benchmarks published by both sides, and much heat expended on the ietf tsvwg mailing list. As the L4S proposal in particular involves making a few deep changes to linux and the internet itself, I would appreciate more in the linux world taking a very hard look at both SCE (some congestion experienced) and L4S before the standardization effort goes much further. If anyone here would like to attend this ietf meeting, it's at 7AM PDT, more details, and pointers to the slides, below. It's pretty obvious which side has a marketing department! ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Steven Blake <slblake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 6:58 PM Subject: [tsvwg] April 27 interim meeting - links & instructions To: <tsvwg@xxxxxxxx> For those who have been scouring their email archives trying to find links to Monday's interim meeting, here they are: WEBEX: JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=med94e0e0db21d028e4f79c3b026f6d84 Meeting number (access code): 615 734 219 Meeting password: TSV703 JOIN BY PHONE 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*615734219%23%23*01* 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:1-877-668-4493,,*01*615734219%23%23*01* Global call-in numbers https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/globalcallin.php?MTID=med1ad885f74b38fb4789b0ea2d6459b3 Toll-free calling restrictions https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION Dial sip:615734219@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. Join using Microsoft Lync or Microsoft Skype for Business Dial sip:615734219.ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Can't join the meeting? https://collaborationhelp.cisco.com/article/WBX000029055 Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/notes-ietf-interim-2020-tsvwg-03?useMonospaceFont=true Jabber: xmpp:tsvwg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?join Meeting materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-tsvwg-03/session/tsvwg Regards, // Steve -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729