On 11/19/2018 04:13 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM Ben Greear <greearb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 11/19/2018 03:47 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 3:30 PM Simon Barber <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 19, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Dave Taht <dave@xxxxxxxx> writes:
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@xxxxxxx> writes:
Felix Fietkau <nbd@xxxxxxxx> writes:
On 2018-11-14 18:40, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
This part doesn't really make much sense to me, but maybe I'm
misunderstanding how the code works.
Let's assume we have a driver like ath9k or mt76, which tries to keep a
….
Well, there's going to be a BQL-like queue limit (but for airtime) on
top, which drivers can opt-in to if the hardware has too much queueing.
Very happy to read this - I first talked to Dave Taht about the need for Time Queue Limits more than 5 years ago!
Michal faked up a dql estimator 3 (?) years ago. it worked.
http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/dql_on_wifi_2/
As a side note, in *any* real world working mu-mimo situation at any
scale, on any equipment, does anyone have any stats on how often the
feature is actually used and useful?
My personal guess, from looking at the standard, was in home
scenarios, usage would be about... 0, and in a controlled environment
in a football stadium, quite a lot.
In a office or apartment complex, I figured interference and so forth
would make it a negative benefit due to retransmits.
I felt when that part of the standard rolled around... that mu-mimo
was an idea that should never have escaped the lab. I can be convinced
by data, that we can aim for a higher goal here. But it would be
comforting to have a measured non-lab, real-world, at real world
rates, result for it, on some platform, of it actually being useful.
We're working on building a lab with 20 or 30 mixed 'real' devices
using various different /AC NICs (QCA wave2 on OpenWRT, Fedora, realtek USB 8812au on OpenWRT, Fedora,
and some Intel NICs in NUCs on Windows, and maybe more). I'm not actually sure if that realtek
or the NUCs can do MU-MIMO or not, but the QCA NICs will be able to. It should be at least somewhat similar
to a classroom environment or coffee shop.
In the last 3 coffee shops I went to, I could hear over 30 APs on
competing SSIDs, running G, N, and AC,
occupying every available channel.
I especially like when someone uses channel 3 because, I guess, they
think it is un-used :)
I'm not sure if this was a fluke or not, but at Starbucks recently I sat outside,
right next to their window, and could not scan their AP at all. Previously, I sat
inside, 3 feet away through the glass, and got great signal. I wonder what that was
all about! Maybe special tinting that blocks RF? Or just dumb luck of some sort.
Thanks,
Ben
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Ben Greear <greearb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Candela Technologies Inc http://www.candelatech.com
