Hi Alexis, > This is loosely based on RFC5148, specifically event-triggered > message generation as described in section 5.2. I'm confused. I see how that generally seems to apply to any mobile network, but it *does* state up-front that In some instances, these problems can be solved in these lower layers, but in other instances, some help at the network and higher layers is necessary. I believe 802.11 *does* in fact solve these issues at lower layers. Can you explain how you observed any problem in this area? > The frames are not duplicated, but, hopefully offset enough so they > don't collide at the receiver That wasn't my question - my question regarding duplicating was if this was intended to *suppress* duplicates, but it sounds like not. > (and, since, these are management frames, there is no retransmission > and we may lose the information contained in them). That statement isn't true in general, though it does seem that some of the frames you're touching are actually *multicast* frames and as such don't have any retries. > If the two (or more) devices that reply are synchronized well enough, > carrier sense will tell them that air is clear and messages will go > out at the same time. It doesn't happen too often, but we found it > noticeable enough in our testing. I'm still curious how it happens at all, since NAV synchronisation should prevent it at a much lower level? johannes