On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 00:10 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > rfkill really should have been named rfswitch. As it is, one can get > confused whether RFKILL_STATE_ON means the KILL switch is on (and > therefore, the radio is being *blocked* from operating), or whether it > means the RADIO rf output is on. > > Clearly state that RFKILL_STATE_ON means the radio is *unblocked* from > operating (i.e. there is no rf killing going on). Looking over the rfkill stuff again, I think we have a problem. There are actually 3 states for each radio: a) radio on b) radio off, softkilled by NM, user, or whatever c) radio off, hardkilled by a physical switch I don't think that the rfkill layer can represent this, since the 'state' member of /sys/class/rfkill/rfkillX is only 0 or 1. You should be able to simulate state (b) by doing "iwconfig wlan0 txpower off". If the driver doesn't suck, the driver should then rfkill the radio (and thus /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/state would be 0), but all killswitches are still "on". But there's no way to find out that the killswitches are all "on" by reading something in sysfs because their state is not distinct from the radio's state. There are basically two options here: 1) separate switch state from radio state by having something on the _device_ like /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:02.0/radio_state that is 0 (radio on), 1 (radio off, softkilled), or 2 (radio off, hardkilled). Keep /sys/class/rfkill/rfkillX as actual killswitches as reported by wireless drivers or by machine-specific BIOS proxy drivers like hp-wmi, and keep the 'state' member rfkillX devices like it is now 2) Change the 'state' member of the /sys/class/rfkill/rfkillX devices to reflect the hardkill and softkill I personally like (1) the best, because there's a clear difference between radio state and switch state, and it would preserve compatibility with the current rfkill system. If the userspace process doesn't see the 'radio_state' item in sysfs for that specific wireless device, it would fall back to using only /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/state and loose the ability to handle softkill. Thoughts? Dan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html