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Re: State of DFS with Mac80211/ath9k

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Zefir Kurtisi <zefir.kurtisi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 03/06/2015 09:04 AM, Henning Rogge wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> Second, we are seeing a huge amount of radar events on some nodes, but
>> not on a node on the same channel in the next room. What is the status
>> of the DFS detector in ath9k, is it reliable or is it still
>> "experimental".
>>
>
> Henning,
>
> the DFS detector on one hand still can be labeled as 'experimental' since it seems
> to be not used / tested all too much. On the other hand, our company got it
> DFS-ETSI certified for a ath9k based product - so it does what it was made for.
>
> As for the 'false' radar detections you observe: those are inherent for the
> detection method used. The ath9k's pulse detection engine reports anything that
> somewhat looks like a radar pulse - besides very rare cases where those were
> generated by real radar, most of them are EM-noise, WLAN traffic, other radio devices.

This means that the DFS algorithm produce an unacceptable (for mesh
networks) amount of false positives, right?

> Reality check: let two APs operate close to each other on adjacent DFS-channels,
> connect one station to one of them and generate continuous downstream traffic
> (e.g. 10Mbps). It will take only seconds until the other AP will detect a radar -
> simply because it is inevitable to spot some potential pattern within a lot of
> random pulses.

This is bad...


> If you performed the tests in a similar environment, your observation is what you
> have to expect. And unfortunately there is nothing to be done to prevent the false
> radar detections - rendering operation on DFS frequencies inapplicable under some
> environmental conditions.

Is this just a problem of the Linux Kernel implementation? Or is this
a problem of all wifi drivers?

Henning Rogge
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