On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 9:17 AM, John W. Linville <linville@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:13:47AM +0100, Holger Schurig wrote: > > > 4. write the driver for Windows in the usual, close source > > form, "leak" or give docs to some Linux developers and > > let they write the driver for the device. FCC can't object, > > you didn't wrote the driver :-) > > "FCC can't object"...this is only true to a point. Sure, AFAIK the > FCC can do nothing to discipline the software developer in question. > However, the FCC retains broad discretionary authority over the > hardware manufacturer. So if a driver appeared that enabled "bad > things" to happen with certain hardware, regulators might revoke > that device's certification. This would be very expensive for a > manufacturer and is the root of all wireless vendor non-cooperation. > > FWIW, my opinion is that this should be resolvable from a business > perspective. The existence of an open source driver should represent > a quantifiable financial risk -- a risk that is already present > in some form anyway due to the existence of people with reverse > engineering skills. Any decent business is good at managing risk, > and any number of (re-)insurance firms exist to handle the finances > involved with that. It seems to me that a business should be able to > insure against potential losses at a rate that is more than offset by > the gains of being strong in the burgeoning Linux market. Of course, > if I were a brilliant business man...well, YMMV... :-) Warning: IANAL I'd think all modern wireless companies would incur a potential risk then -- whether they support FOSS or not. So I'd think most companies would need this insurance right now. But lets talk some common sense. SDRs are driving the industry, whether they are certified under part 15 rules or not as even firmware can be reversed engineered. This and the fact that I see pure SDRs (GNU Radio) are being used in the latest wireless research [1] seems to indicate they are the wave of the future and we should simply focus on trying to enhance regulatory bodies instead of ignoring the issue. Now when I rent a car and move it out of the company's lot I could technically just drive in a rush and run over a lot of people at the local Starbucks, lets say being heavily inspired after playing Grand Theft Auto. Legally I am responsible, not the Car rental company and maybe not even the game maker company which provided inspiration. Common sense tells me that it is very silly that wireless companies or their direct-customers (OEMs) could be held liable for use of unsupported drivers or modified drivers which make their hardware behave in manners in which they were not intended for. IMHO the person who makes the device operate out-of-bounds of the supported or acceptable legal regulatory laws should be held liable, not the company -- as would be the case if I go off in a driving rampage with my next car rental. That piece of legislation is what I think needs updating instead of playing along the the more proven-incorrectly security-by-obscurity approach that some vendors have followed after interpretation of regulatory laws. Because anyway if certifying under part 15 rules my interpretation is you are certifying the hardware and not the software so -- AFAICT this certification is software agnostic. If we want to talk about not being able to support the software then lets talk about SDRs as those are the rules that apply when strictly leaving software to handle a fine grain level of hardware operation. There is a common problem in the wireless industry and that is fear of getting labelled under SDR. Stop being afraid and use common sense. And yes, of course, its easy for me to say that as I don't have a wireless business or am part of of one. But I have previously made suggestions as to how to sanely work through this problem in the short term and in the long run. In the short term embrace a central regulatory domain agent in the Operating System and in the long run help shape legislation to pave the way for SDRs, in ways that actually makes sense, not just out of fear. Let me also remind you a section of GPLv2 perhaps overlooked: "This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details." Now quoting directly from GPLv2 preamble[2] : "Also, for each author's protection and ours, we want to make certain that everyone understands that there is no warranty for this free software. If the software is modified by someone else and passed on, we want its recipients to know that what they have is not the original, so that any problems introduced by others will not reflect on the original authors' reputations." So you can do what you can but offer no warranty for it, you can stand behind what is in place and patches that lie ahead for your driver. [1] http://orbit-lab.org/wiki/Documentation/GNURadio [2] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/info/GPLv2.html Luis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html