On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Maarten Lankhorst >> <m.b.lankhorst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Op 05-08-13 18:29, Andy Lutomirski schreef: >>>> The systemd commit below can delay firmware loading by multiple >>>> minutes if CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=y. Unfortunately no one >>>> noticed that the systemd-udev change would break new kernels as well >>>> as old kernels. >>>> >>>> Since the kernel apparently can't count on reasonable userspace >>>> support, turn this thing off by default. >>>> >>>> commit a3bd8447be4ea2ce230eb8ae0e815c04d85fa15a >>>> Author: Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> >>>> Date: Mon Mar 18 15:12:18 2013 +0100 >>>> >>>> udev: make firmware loading optional and disable by default >>>> >>>> Distros that whish to support old kernels should set >>>> --with-firmware-dirs="/usr/lib/firmware/updates:/usr/lib/firmware" >>>> to retain the old behaviour. >>>> >>> methinks this patch should be reverted then, >> >> Well, all the code is still there, so it can be enabled if anyone wants it. >> >>> or a stub should be added to udev to always fail firmware loading so timeouts don't occur. >> >> I think the only use (if any) of a userspace firmware loader would be >> for anyone who wants a custom one (i.e., not udev), so we shouldn't >> just fail the loading from udev unconditionally. >> >> How about we just improve the udev documentation a bit, similar to >> Andy's kernel patch? > > Sorry, I should first have checked. We already document this in the README: > >> Userspace firmware loading is deprecated, will go away, and >> sometimes causes problems: >> CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=n TBH, the udev README is the last thing I'm going to check to figure out why I don't have wifi for a couple minutes after boot. Also, the message is missing the point. It's not that it's deprecated and sometimes causes problems -- it's that udev *changed behavior* and breaks your system if you have CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=y. If udev logged something (for a couple of years), that would be a different story. --Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
