Jeff Garzik wrote:
Stephen Clark wrote:
I understand what you are saying on one hand, but you are also saying
that Intel
is by themselves and no one in the community is going to help, if Intel
can't figure
out how to do it the right way.
David referenced "the tireless attempts of Jeff and others to education
them on how to improve the situation"
What I am saying why can't someone in the community be a liason
between what Intel is doing and wireless-dev? Why does it have to be
someone from
Intel?
Ideally it is the hardware vendor that maintains their own Linux drivers
in the upstream kernel. That is the ideal. It scales best and focuses
knowledge and resources in everyone's best interests.
To answer your question, it does not HAVE to be somebody at Intel. On
occasion, when a hardware vendor was exceedingly difficult to work with,
someone in the community will step up and fill that gap.
The problem with such a liaison is that they must maintain a fork of the
vendor driver themselves, which is time consuming and annoying, because
you wind up buffering the code and problem complaints from the community
as well as trying to reconcile that with new vendor driver engineering.
That process, as we saw with skge and tg3 drivers, usually ends up with
the community maintaining a driver independent of the hardware vendor,
using the hardware vendor's driver purely as a reference manual, once
things are out-of-sync enough. That's not generally a situation the
hardware vendor likes, since they lose a lot of control -- though in
tg3's case, the driver quality and upstream incentives were such that
the vendor switched from their own driver to tg3. And now the tg3
vendor is back in control, actively submitting patches, and overall
being an excellent example of open source engineering done right.
In general, most incentives rest on Intel to get stuff upstream. That's
where the process is most efficient, and all involved (Linux users,
Kernel hackers, and Intel) benefit.
Part of my tireless work is _not_ throwing my hands up in frustration
and doing it all myself :) but instead trying to counsel on where the
process is getting stuck.
Jeff
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Jeff,
Thanks for all you do and taking the time to explain what probably was
apparent
already to a lot of people.
Steve
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