On Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 10:16:50AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:23 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 05:29:58PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 5:21 PM Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 05:00:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > > > >On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:00 PM Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 03:46:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> [...] > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I have a question though, what if down the road there > > > > >> >> > > > > is a new feature that needs more changes? It will be > > > > >> >> > > > > broken too just like PACKED no? > > > > >> >> > > > > Shouldn't vdpa have an allowlist of features it knows how > > > > >> >> > > > > to support? > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > It looks like we had it, but we took it out (by the way, we were > > > > >> >> > > > enabling packed even though we didn't support it): > > > > >> >> > > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=6234f80574d7569444d8718355fa2838e92b158b > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > The only problem I see is that for each new feature we have to modify > > > > >> >> > > > the kernel. > > > > >> >> > > > Could we have new features that don't require handling by vhost-vdpa? > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Thanks, > > > > >> >> > > > Stefano > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > Jason what do you say to reverting this? > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > I may miss something but I don't see any problem with vDPA core. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > It's the duty of the parents to advertise the features it has. For example, > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > 1) If some kernel version that is packed is not supported via > > > > >> >> > set_vq_state, parents should not advertise PACKED features in this > > > > >> >> > case. > > > > >> >> > 2) If the kernel has support packed set_vq_state(), but it's emulated > > > > >> >> > cvq doesn't support, parents should not advertise PACKED as well > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > If a parent violates the above 2, it looks like a bug of the parents. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Thanks > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Yes but what about vhost_vdpa? Talking about that not the core. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Not sure it's a good idea to workaround parent bugs via vhost-vDPA. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sorry, I'm getting lost... > > > > >> We were talking about the fact that vhost-vdpa doesn't handle > > > > >> SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE ioctls well for packed virtqueue before > > > > >> that series [1], no? > > > > >> > > > > >> The parents seem okay, but maybe I missed a few things. > > > > >> > > > > >> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/virtualization/20230424225031.18947-1-shannon.nelson@xxxxxxx/ > > > > > > > > > >Yes, more below. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Should that not have a whitelist of features > > > > >> >> since it interprets ioctls differently depending on this? > > > > >> > > > > > >> >If there's a bug, it might only matter the following setup: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE + VDUSE. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >This seems to be broken since VDUSE was introduced. If we really want > > > > >> >to backport something, it could be a fix to filter out PACKED in > > > > >> >VDUSE? > > > > >> > > > > >> mmm it doesn't seem to be a problem in VDUSE, but in vhost-vdpa. > > > > >> I think VDUSE works fine with packed virtqueue using virtio-vdpa > > > > >> (I haven't tried), so why should we filter PACKED in VDUSE? > > > > > > > > > >I don't think we need any filtering since: > > > > > > > > > >PACKED features has been advertised to userspace via uAPI since > > > > >6234f80574d7569444d8718355fa2838e92b158b. Once we relax in uAPI, it > > > > >would be very hard to restrict it again. For the userspace that tries > > > > >to negotiate PACKED: > > > > > > > > > >1) if it doesn't use SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE, everything works well > > > > >2) if it uses SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE. it might fail or break silently > > > > > > > > > >If we backport the fixes to -stable, we may break the application at > > > > >least in the case 1). > > > > > > > > Okay, I see now, thanks for the details! > > > > > > > > Maybe instead of "break silently", we can return an explicit error for > > > > SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE in stable branches. > > > > But if there are not many cases, we can leave it like that. > > > > > > A second thought, if we need to do something for stable. is it better > > > if we just backport Shannon's series to stable? > > > > > > > > > > > I was just concerned about how does the user space understand that it > > > > can use SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE for PACKED virtqueues in a given > > > > kernel or not. > > > > > > My understanding is that if packed is advertised, the application > > > should assume SET/GET_VRING_BASE work. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Let me ask you this. This is a bugfix yes? > > Not sure since it may break existing user space applications which > make it hard to be backported to -stable. Sorry, I was actually referring to vhost_vdpa: support PACKED when setting-getting vring_base and friends. These are bugfixes yes? What is the appropriate Fixes tag? > Before the fix, PACKED might work if SET/GET_VRING_BASE is not used. > After the fix, PACKED won't work at all. > > Thanks > > What is the appropriate Fixes > > tag? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stefano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Virtualization mailing list Virtualization@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualization
