Regarding Wei's patch that modifies the shrinker implementation, versus this patch which reverts to OOM notifier:
I am in favor of both patches. But I do want to make sure a fix gets back ported to 4.19 where the performance regression was first introduced.
My concern with reverting to the OOM notifier is, as mst@ put it (in the other thread):
"when linux hits OOM all kind of error paths are being hit, latent bugs start triggering, latency goes up drastically."
"when linux hits OOM all kind of error paths are being hit, latent bugs start triggering, latency goes up drastically."
The guest could be in a lot of pain before the OOM notifier is invoked, and it seems like the shrinker API might allow more fine grained control of when we deflate.
On the other hand, I'm not totally convinced that Wei's patch is an expected use of the shrinker/page-cache APIs, and maybe it is fragile. Needs more testing and scrutiny.
It seems to me like the shrinker API is the right API in the long run, perhaps with some fixes and modifications. But maybe reverting to OOM notifier is the best patch to back port?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:19 AM David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> There was a report that this results in undesired side effects when
>> inflating the balloon to shrink the page cache. [1]
>> "When inflating the balloon against page cache (i.e. no free memory
>> remains) vmscan.c will both shrink page cache, but also invoke the
>> shrinkers -- including the balloon's shrinker. So the balloon
>> driver allocates memory which requires reclaim, vmscan gets this
>> memory by shrinking the balloon, and then the driver adds the
>> memory back to the balloon. Basically a busy no-op."
>>
>> The name "deflate on OOM" makes it pretty clear when deflation should
>> happen - after other approaches to reclaim memory failed, not while
>> reclaiming. This allows to minimize the footprint of a guest - memory
>> will only be taken out of the balloon when really needed.
>>
>> Especially, a drop_slab() will result in the whole balloon getting
>> deflated - undesired.
>
> Could you explain why some more? drop_caches shouldn't be really used in
> any production workloads and if somebody really wants all the cache to
> be dropped then why is balloon any different?
>
Deflation should happen when the guest is out of memory, not when
somebody thinks it's time to reclaim some memory. That's what the
feature promised from the beginning: Only give the guest more memory in
case it *really* needs more memory.
Deflate on oom, not deflate on reclaim/memory pressure. (that's what the
report was all about)
A priority for shrinkers might be a step into the right direction.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
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