Zachary Amsden wrote:
Anthony Liguori wrote:
But what's the value in having it not in the kernel? Let's take Xen
and lhype out of the picture because it clearly has to be there for
them. You have a little less in the kernel now but then your kernel
boots more slowly. There's already a noticable difference in
boot-time with the KVM paravirt_ops implementation. I imagine there
is for VMI too.
If it isn't compiled in the core kernel, then a distro need not do
anything special to distribute VMI or KVM support - other than compile
support for paravirt-ops. Then the paravirt-ops module can be
installed along with the guest tools and drivers, but need not be on
install media.
Typically, distros do not support third-party modules so that's not a
very useful property. Further, that just encourages out-of-kernel
modules and worst yet, binary modules.
In fact, the whole install "guest tools" is fundamentally broken in this
respect. Guest tools always end up installing closed source drivers.
Plus, these things aren't available during distro installation typically
so you end up with a sucky user experience.
Basically, it just makes it easier on distributors and allows any old
kernel with paravirt-ops module support to run on any modern, new
hypervisor - that might not have even existed at the time the distro
was created.
Yeah, I'm not buying it. Is it really that much easier to backport a
module than it is to just roll out a new kernel for an older distro?
BTW, isn't this the whole point of the VMI ROM? :-)
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
In the case of KVM, the paravirt_ops implementation is orthogonal to
paravirt device drivers. A PV device driver can happily exist even
if the paravirt_ops backend isn't activated. This is assuming that
hypercalls aren't used btw. If hypercalls are desirable to use, then
the paravirt_ops backend would have to EXPORT_GPL the hypercall
interface. I imagine returning a specific errno would suffice.
I'm mostly in agreement on that - although making dual hypercall / I/O
emulated drivers is a bit more work.
Zach
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