Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add device links between tunneled USB3 devices and USB4 Host

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On 6/21/2024 01:19, Mika Westerberg wrote:
Hi Mario,

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 01:36:56PM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
On 6/20/2024 01:41, Mika Westerberg wrote:
+CC Mario from AMD side to check that we are good and don't break
anything accidentally.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:03:01PM +0300, Mathias Nyman wrote:
The relationship between a USB4 Host Interface providing USB3 tunnels,
and tunneled USB3 devices is not represented in device hierarchy.

This caused issues with power managment as devices may suspend and
resume in incorrect order.
A device link between the USB4 Host Interface and the USB3 xHCI was
originally added to solve this, preventing the USB4 Host Interface from
suspending if the USB3 xHCI Host was still active.
This unfortunately also prevents USB4 Host Interface from suspending even
if the USB3 xHCI Host is only serving native non-tunneled USB devices.

Improve the current powermanagement situation by creating device links
directly from tunneled USB3 devices to the USB4 Host Interface they depend
on instead of a device link between the hosts.
This way USB4 host may suspend when the last tunneled device is
disconnected.

Intel xHCI hosts are capable of reporting if connected USB3 devices are
tunneled via vendor specific capabilities.
Use this until a standard way is available.

Mathias Nyman (4):
    xhci: Add USB4 tunnel detection for USB3 devices on Intel hosts
    usb: Add tunneled parameter to usb device structure
    usb: acpi: add device link between tunneled USB3 device and USB4 Host
      Interface
    thunderbolt: Don't create device link from USB4 Host Interface to USB3
      xHC host

   drivers/thunderbolt/acpi.c       | 40 ++++++------------------
   drivers/usb/core/usb-acpi.c      | 52 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   drivers/usb/host/xhci-ext-caps.h |  5 +++
   drivers/usb/host/xhci-hub.c      | 29 ++++++++++++++++++
   drivers/usb/host/xhci.c          | 12 ++++++++
   drivers/usb/host/xhci.h          |  1 +
   include/linux/usb.h              |  2 ++
   7 files changed, 111 insertions(+), 30 deletions(-)

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2.25.1

Hi Mika,

Thanks for looping me in.  Unfortunately with this is appears the XHCI
controller link never gets created.  I've not checked functional impact from
this, but I'd guess there "should" be some functional problems too.

Thanks for checking!

I think the code that sets up the device link based on ->tunneled should
do that always if the hardware cannot tell if this is native or tunneled
link to keep the existing functionality and only do the "optimization"
if the hardware is capable of identifying that.

Perhaps it can be a callback provided by the xHCI controller driver
(->is_tunneled()) that then defaults to true if the
"usb4-host-interface" property is there and in case of Intel hardware
also checks the proprietary register?

So I think the problem is you will have an ordering dependency between the two drivers for when the link gets created.

Like if thunderbolt.ko loads you would end up with links to PCIe root port for tunneling as well as XHCI controller.

Then xhci loads and you end up also adding links to individual ports.
Would you remove the link to the controller?

And if the order is the other way around you end up with a larger state machine.

How about PCIe core provides a helper to know whether or not a PCIe device will support the proprietary register?

Then thunderbolt.ko can use this to know whether or not to make the XHCI link and xhci.ko can use this to know whether or not to make the port links.

Hopefully that means no ordering dependencies.




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