On Tue, 22 May 2018, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote: > On 2018-05-07 11:37:29 [-0400], Alan Stern wrote: > > > As far as I understand it there should be no deadlock. Without the > > > local_irq_save() things should not deadlock because the HCD invokes USB > > > driver's (usb-storage for instance) ->complete callback always in the > > > same way. If you mix the usb-driver with two different HCDs (say ehci > > > and xhci) then lockdep would complain. However, the locks which were > > > allocated by usb-storage for the ehci driver would never be used in the > > > context of the xhci driver. So lockdep would report a deacklock but > > > there wouldn't be one (again, if I got the piece right). > > > > That argument would be correct if the completion routines were the only > > places where the higher-level drivers (such as usb-storage or usbhid) > > acquired their locks. But we can't depend on this being true; you > > would have to audit each USB driver to make sure. > > an entry point for IRQ usage outside of the driver would be the usage of > hrtimer. Sorry, I don't understand that sentence at all. And I don't see how it could be relevant to the point I was trying to make. Consider, for example, drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c. In that file, hid_io_error() is called by hid_irq_in(), which is an URB completion handler. hid_io_error() acquires usbhid_lock. Therefore it would be necessary to audit the usbhid driver to see whether interrupts are enabled or disabled any place where usbhid_lock is acquired. And in fact, hid_ctrl() (another completion handler) calls spin_lock(&usbhid->lock) -- this could cause problems for you. And usbhid->lock is acquired in other places, ones that are not inside completion handlers. None of this has anything to do with IRQ usage or hrtimers. > We have a flag to let the hrtimer run in softirq but yes, we > need to audit them. > > > > And I was thinking about converting all drivers to one model and then we > > > could get rid of the block I quoted above. > > > > > > If nobody rejects the approach as such I would go and start hacking… > > > > > > > And even for those two, the conversion will not be easy. Simply > > > > changing the giveback routines would violate the documented guarantees > > > > for isochronous transfers. > > > > > > The requirement was that the ISO urb is completed before the BULK urb, > > > right? > > > > No, that's not what I meant. For one thing, isochronous URBs don't > > need to complete before bulk URBs in general (although they do have > > higher priority). > > > > However, I was really referring to the kerneldoc for usb_submit_urb(). > > The part that talks about scheduling of isochronous and interrupt URBs > > lists a bunch of requirements. In order to meet these requirements > > some of the host controller drivers may rely on the fact that when they > > give back an URB, the URB's completion routine will return before the > > giveback call finishes. > > You mean the "Reserved Bandwidth Transfers:" paragraph? Paragraphs (plural). Three paragraphs, to be precise. > > It's possible to rewrite the HCDs not to rely on this (I did exactly > > that for ehci-hcd), but it is a nontrivial job. > > are you referring to commit 9118f9eb4f1e ("USB: EHCI: improve interrupt > qh unlink")? That one, plus: 46c73d1d3ebc ("USB: EHCI: handle isochronous underruns with tasklets") e4e18cbd52c8 ("USB: EHCI: code rearrangement in iso_stream_schedule()") 24f531371de1 ("USB: EHCI: accept very late isochronous URBs") 35371e4fbc3e ("USB: EHCI: improve ehci_endpoint_disable") Not all parts of all those commits were relevant, but as far as I recall, they each contributed something. And I may have omitted one or two commits by mistake. Alan Stern -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-usb" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html