Hi Adam, On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 03:51:26PM +0000, Adam Thomson wrote: > Right now there is no documentation for the generic psy class. The stuff in > sysfs-class-power is device specific property information, and the same goes for > sysfs-class-power-twl4030. The property usage can vary depending on driver > implementation, an example being the 'online' property which can differ between > drivers, so the usage I have here is very much tcpm related. Also, the ability > to write to certain properties varies depending on the driver and HW, so here > where we configure 'voltage_now' and 'current_now', the likelihood is that most > other psy driver implementations won't allow for this. The power supply class is missing documentation, YES! That is what I have been saying! The fact that even an attribute like "online" can mean different things depending on the driver is absolutely horrible. The ABI documentation FOR THE POWER SUPPLY CLASS needs to provide clear meaning for the attributes. It needs to also point out which attributes can be hidden, and it should also give some hints for things like which attributes can be expected to be visible for example in case of USB type of psy and so on. We are talking about user space ABI for power supplies here. The user space does not know that its dealing with tcpm in this case, or some other driver in an other case, AND, the user space _must_ not be expected to know that kind of details. The behaviour and meaning of an individual attribute file quite simply has to be the same, always, regardless of the platform, HW, driver or whatever. Otherwise this whole ABI is completely useless. Working around the issue of missing guidelines and documentation for subsystem ABI by providing it for the device drivers instead is not acceptable. If you don't want to propose documentation for the class, don't propose any documentation at all is better answer then that. And using arguments like "well, twl4030 did it" is really starting to annoy me. We are not lemmings here. We can make this right instead of following others blindly over the cliff edge. To summarize: We can't just accept chaos. Instead we should organize the places without structure, in this case the user space ABI for power supplies. On top of ABI documentation, we will need driver API documentation as well. I'm not expecting that you would also propose something for the API too, but I just wanted to bring that up here. I would like to have some guidelines on how the power supplies should be used also in kernel. Right now it is possible for one driver to create the power supply and an other to take over the control of it. It is super easy to gain access to a power supply. You can request it with just the name without any control, and after gaining access, you have full control over it. That makes it really easy to have race condition where both the psy device driver and some other driver try to control the same things of the same psy. I guess the whole design of the psy class could use a little bit of re-designing. So IMO, access to the psy should be more strict then it is now, and also, even after gaining access to a psy handle, drivers that are not the actual psy device drivers should have more controlled access to it. So possibly separate API for them... OK, this is definitely a separate topic. Sorry, I'll stop here. Thanks, -- heikki -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-usb" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
