Re: [GIT PULL 2/3] ARM: tegra: move fuse code out of arch/arm

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Stephen Warren <swarren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 07/21/2014 09:54 AM, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:06:00AM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>> On 07/17/2014 11:33 PM, Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Stephen Warren <swarren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> On 07/08/2014 11:47 AM, Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Peter De Schrijver
>>>>>> <pdeschrijver@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 02:44:17AM +0200, Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 03:23:45PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This branch moves code related to the Tegra fuses out of arch/arm and
>>>>>>>>> into a centralized location which could be shared with ARM64. It also
>>>>>>>>> adds support for reading the fuse data through sysfs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The new/moved misc driver isn't acked by any misc maintainer, so I can't
>>>>>>>> take this branch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw no indication from searching the mailing list of that either,
>>>>>>>> so it wasn't just a missed acked-by.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if this code should go under drivers/soc/ instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's modelled after sunxi_sid.c which lives in drivers/misc/eeprom/.
>>>>>>> Originally this driver was also in drivers/misc/eeprom/, but Stephen objected
>>>>>>> and therefore it was moved to drivers/misc/fuse. I think that's the right
>>>>>>> place still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree, I think this belongs under drivers/soc. Especially since
>>>>>> you're adding dependencies on this misc driver from other parts of the
>>>>>> kernel / other drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also don't like seeing init calls form platform code down into
>>>>>> drivers/misc like you're adding here. Can you please look at doing
>>>>>> that as a regular init call setup?
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly disagree with using init calls for this kind of thing. There
>>>>> are ordering dependencies between the initialization code that can only
>>>>> be sanely managed by explicitly calling functions in a particular order;
>>>>> there's simply no way to manage this using initcalls. This is exactly
>>>>> why the hooks in the ARM machine descriptors exist...
>>>>
>>>> Right, but there are non on 64-bit, so you need to solve it for there
>>>> anyway. And once it's solved there, you might as well keep it common
>>>> with 32-bit.
>>>
>>> My assertion is that we should just do it directly on 64-bit too.
>>> There's no reason for arm64 to deviate from what arch/arm does already.
>>
>> On arm64, I really want to get away from any SoC specific early
>> initcall. One of the main reason is for things like SCU, interconnects,
>> system cache configurations (even certain clocks) to be enabled in
>> firmware before Linux starts (it's an education process but that's a way
>> for example to prevent people sending patches to enable SoC coherency
>> because they haven't thought about it before upstreaming).
>>
>> It would be nice to be able to initialise SoC stuff at device_initcall()
>> level (and even keep such code as modules in initramfs) but one of the
>> problems we have is dependency on clocks (and the clock model which
>> doesn't follow the device/driver model). The of_platform_populate() is
>> called at arch_initcall_sync (after arch_initcall to still allow some
>> SoC code, if needed, to run at arch_initcall).
>
> The main thing I want to avoid is a ton of separate drivers that all
> rely on each-other getting resolved by deferred probe. While that might
> work out, it seems pointless to make the kernel try and probe a bunch of
> stuff just to have it fail and get repeated, when we know exactly which
> order everything should get initialized in.
>
> Another issue is that we have SoCs which only differ in the CPU. I want
> the code to work identically on both SoCs so the CPU has limited affect
> on the low-level IO code. If we're going to enforce a "no machine
> descriptors" rule on arch/arm64, I think we should do the same thing in
> arch/arm for consistency.
>
>> We have a similar issue with arm64 vexpress (well, just on the model)
>> where vexpress_sysreg_init() is a core_initcall (should be fine as
>> arch_initcall) as it needs to be done before of_platform_populate().
>> Pawel on cc should know more of the history here.
>>
>> I recall there were also some discussions about a SoC driver model which
>> hangs off the top compatible string in the DT (e.g. "arm,vexpress") and
>> allow (minimal) code to be run slightly earlier, though still not
>> earlier than arch_initcall.
>
> I guess that would work out OK; if we force the driver that binds to a
> top-level compatible value of "nvidia,tegraNNN" to probe first, and it
> then calls out to all the low-level init code in a sane order, that
> would solve the problem. I'm not sure that's any better than having a
> machine descriptor with an "init" function though; wrapping all this in
> a driver just seems like overhead, but it would work out OK.

This is exactly the same as having a machine descriptor, but the
arch/arm64 maintainers don't have to look at it so they don't think it
is one.

So now we need to find a place for machine descriptors somewhere under
drivers/* too. Sigh. Agreed, this is nothing but overhead and
overabstraction.


-Olof
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