Okay, try updatedb if you have locate on that computer and if you don't you want to install the mlocate package then run updatedb. Then type locate fenrir*.service and see if anything comes up. I could have got the name wrong and this will find the correct name of the service for you. -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Chime Hart wrote: > Well, Jude, your 2nd command did certainly enable espeakup on reboot, but > Fenrir says it cannot stop a service which is not running. So now much of the > time I have both Allison in Fenrir at the same time as espeakup, unless I use > the "you killed speakup" key. Even trying to kill processes of Fenrir they > immediately restart. I cannot find an unstall command among yay or pacman. > Thanks in advance > Chime > > >