In attempting to upgrade a single package, elinks, I somehow upgraded the whole system I believe to 3.2.0-4-686-pae that's the login version number, maybe not the upgraded version. Without rebooting, it still works with doubletalk and brltty. I assume after reboot with new system the doubletalk will no longer work. Do I remember there is some way by selecting older kernel at grub boot time, that the older kernel with doubletalk can still fly. I have sighted help. what do we look for when rebooting? If that's wrong, do I have any other options to save the doubletalk system beyond re-installing old version of wheezie from CD? Also considering a new mini desktop like the mintbox mini from Fit-PC. Any experience with this type of system? This one has an RS232 port for my Alva. But then I'd have to put up with espeak! Poor little blind one! <GRIN> Thanks for any help, comments about luddites will not be taken amiss! <GRIN> Tom Fowle P.S. I'm not turning this box off till forced, but we had power flicker a while back, so things are tense! <GRIN> sorry for babble. Tom Fowle _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup