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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:49:28
From: kendell clark via Support <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: kendell clark <coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>,
"support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
hi
Do you have some kind of way to get speakup playing nice with pulse audio? I've
tried this several times, and the only way I can get this working reliably is
to either start espeakup *after* the desktop is loaded, rather than on boot, or
by configuring pulse audio to use dsync in alsa, disabling a lot of it's
advanced functionality in the process. Leaving both configured as they are out
of the box results in no sound from speakup getting through once you're logged
in. This is why I say that it doesn't work on modern distros unless you know
what you're doing. I'm trying to get this working for new users who won't know
and most likely wouldn't care if I bothered to explain, which I find myself
less and less inclined to do as time goes by. Having said all that, I'd be glad
to make this work reliably if there's some sort of configuration I can perform
that would allow speakup to work, while also allowing pulse audio to work like
it's intended. One other issue I've noticed is that while pulse audio can rout
most audio over to new devices or back and forth between sound devices with no
problems, speakup doesn't allow this and only works on whatever sound device it
did when started. I think this might be either because it's using alsa,
unlikely, or that it's running as root, and so pulse audio can't mess with it.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Christopher Chaltain via Support wrote:
I'm confused. I'm running a modern distro with PulseAudio, and I use SpeakUp
all of the time. Therefore, I'm not sure what you mean when you say SpeakUp
doesn't work with modern distros using PulseAudio.
On 16/02/16 17:19, kendell clark via Support wrote:
hi
This is what I think as well. There needs a lot, and I do mean a lot, of
work done before I'd consider speakup a good quality console screen
reader. Right now it works, providing you're not using a modern linux
distro with pulse audio running, like most do now, espeakup which is not
under active development anymore because the developer who started it is
deceased. Someone else needs to pick it up again but everyone I talk to,
the few I can get to talk to me use that damn ibmtts with ttsynth and
don't care about it. I'm not skilled enough or I'd take it on but I have
enough to do fixing words in espeak. Speakup isn't in the mainline
kernel tree because it apparently, I can't say one way or the other
because I don't know, does some tricks to talk to hardware synths that
the kernel people don't like, like talking to the hardware in raw data
streams instead of using APIs. I think the problem there is that these
synths are not made anymore and when they were all the "official"
support was for windows and the companies wouldn't give them details so
they had to basically hack support.
Thanks
Kendell clark
benjamin moser via Support wrote:
Hi
who is there to bug about espeakup? is that still under development?
When I look at speakup on the web, it looks like nothing is being done
anymore (possibly because they think nothing else needs to be done.)
On 2/14/2016 5:55 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
hi
We've been wanting to make one for a while. We keep running into
either 1, issues with speakup when pulse audio is running, been
present for years and no one will own up to it or 2, brltty, which can
work as a console screen reader. Right now it doesn't support the
espeak fork, called espeak-ng, which sonar has switched to using. It's
rather embarrassing, and my own personal opinion is that all the blind
users who care about command line access, storm comes to mind, should
band together and bug the shit out of the speakup people until they
fix their bug. It's actually a combination of speakup, and the fact
that speakup runs in the kernel, which means it runs as root, which
means it's not subject to user permissions. Why that means it doesn't
produce sound I'm not sure, but it doesn't. If pulse audio isn't
running this just works, but otherwise ... shrug.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
Hi,
ah sorry forgot about the command line users.
maybe interesting when there will be maybe some console based sonar
isos.
greetings,
simon
Am 14.02.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
youtube-viewer I use on talkingarch and would install and use that if
accessible in graphical environment if accessible. When I want to
search for channels in youtube-viewer I know how to do that.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:23:12
From: Simon Eigeldinger via Support <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@xxxxxx>
To: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
Hi,
Here's my take at the package liss:
packages-desktop:
maybe getting ried of:
elinks: Is someone using that? seems not to work on my system.
youtube-viewer: never used it used firefox.
rythmbox: replacing it with audacious? gtk ipod tool is installed as
well. no good solution?
Maybe packages to be added:
veracrypt from aur: disk and container encryption tool. pretty
accessible.
audacious: maybe better than rythmbox
corebird: twitter client. pretty accessible.
packages-gnome: no ideas what to remove or add.
packages-mate: no ideas what to remove or add.
greetings,
simon
Am 14.02.2016 um 02:58 schrieb kendell clark via Support:
hi
Here goes. Packages-desktop, which is common packages that both
gnome
and mate use, is pasted hear.
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4Ykrak83Bhg4BjZF2EmH/.
Packages-gnome
can be seen hear.
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o03gJEMO8B4IyN81dOcw/.
Packages-mate
can be seen hear,
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RDbaW2X3Legc3zLOt63Y/.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Hadi via Support wrote:
Kendell, Is it possible that you pastebin the mentioned files so we
could take a look at it? There are some great pastebin sites like
slexy.org.
On 2/13/2016 2:56 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
hi all
Well, it's been long enough. I've been working with phil and
teo to
improve the accessibility of calamares, but it's just not there
yet
so I'm going to release new gnome and mate images with our old
installer, thus, instead. I've waited more than long enough and
I'll
write back in as soon as the 32 bit and 64 bit images are
uploaded.
Before I upload the images though, I want to do some serious
cleanup
on our software selection. I've tried installing just about every
piece of software under the sun that a blind person might possibly
want on the live image, mainly to show a newcomer exactly what
linux
can do. But I think it's more than past time to thin the
selection,
at least on the live images, considerably. Would all of you who
can,
clone our software repository and look at the Packages-Desktop
file,
as well as the main packages-gnome and packages-mate files and
tell
me what software can be cut? The image sizes are getting out of
control, they've just surpassed the 2.0 gb mark, and I'd like to
trim
that down. To get our git repository, open a terminal and issue
the
following commands. Git clone
https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles.git. Wait
for
it to clone, it shouldn't take too long, then change into the
folder,
then into the sonar folder. The packages-desktop file is shared
between the gnome and mate profiles, so it's in the shared folder.
The others are in the gnome and mate folders, respectively. Again,
I'll write back in when the images are uploaded but I'll wait on
community feedback so I know what to remove, and once I have that,
I'll then build the images and upload them to sourceforge. I'm
really
sorry for the long delay, but I was trying to get calamares into a
usable state, but it's just not there yet. Thank you all of you
who
have been patient and waiting for new images, it's definitely
been a
little more trouble than last time, that's for sure, grins.
Thanks
Kendell clark
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