OK, so my talking login instructions won't help, as it appears you already have that enabled. Instead, perform almost the same steps after login, except you will be pressing the right arrow key twice instead of once. So you will login normally and then wait about a minute or two for GNOME to load completely. Then press alt-control-tab, right arrow twice, down arrow 4 times and then enter. Then go to your Speakup console, login and then restart gdm service gdm restart You should be good to go as soon as you login again using Orca. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie"