Thank you. I will try that as it is something I haven't tried yet. I notice the messages you hear on number-pad insert and number pad plus are different than what you hear from Print-screen. I am at work now but can try it this evening. martin Don Raikes writes: > I can tell you from my experience with backtrack, that if you login to > the console with Speakup working, then turn Speakup off using keypad > insert+keypad plus then run startx, that gnome came up talking just fine.