I downloaded bothe the netinst cd as well as CD1 and here is what happened: There is something wrong with the netinstall CD. It talks just fine but one must plug the keyboard in to the mouse port to controll the installation process. When you are finished, that port dies as a keyboard input and you must move to the regular keyboard port. I did about 3 installs using that disk and never once got orca to do what it is supposed to do. Once, I got the login prompt in orca and nothing after the login. I then tried the suggestion of a fellow list member and downloaded the first full CD and did an install from that. On that CD, the keyboard port starts out properly and does not change which is what should happen. I did an install from that and now have no orca login prompt but I can silently log in and I get the "Welcome to orca" message but nothing after that. When I ssh in from a working command-line console, I can see myself on tty7 or it shows as unknown before logging in. A tail of syslog while logging in is a tale of woe. The very first thing that happens on entering the password is a kill signal 15 to the gnome session and then a cascade of error messages about child processes already being dead, etc. It's over before it even starts. All I did for all these installations was boot the CD with the s parameter so speakup comes on and then answer all the installation questions as one would if they wanted the basic system, gnome and all the utilities. It is 1, 8 and 10 and that is all. I don't think this system is sick because speakup runs fine if gdm3 is off and espeakup is capable of running as it produces either the login window or "Welcome to orca" depending on which broken installation I am pounding on right now. I truly don't know what else to do. The gnome login doesn't survive past the successful entry of the password so something is terribly wrong from the installation itself and it doesn't seem to matter whether it is all done over the network or via the #1 disk. Is there a boot string that launches orca without speakup? I don't really want to not have speakup, but I am willing to try anything else at this point as I think the speech engines both work and I can get in to a command console via ssh from another system if I need to. Many thanks and I can supply logs of all the errors if anybody needs to see them. Martin
