No, htis isn't the attitude the sighted people have. Learning a new operating system requires just that, that you sit down and learn. Look at all the blind people jumping on the OSX band waggon and buying $1800 shiny MacBooks. They learned those, and Voiceover's keys are nothing like Jaws's. On 9/16/2012 3:51 PM, Glenn wrote: > Actually, it is this attitude among the sighted, that keeps most technology > from being made accessible to the Blind. > Wow. > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alonzo Cuellar" <mariachiac at gmail.com> > To: "Glenn" <glennervin at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for > Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: speakup todo? > > > I think the key bindings are fine. There is no trouble with them at all. > Always be able to expand your mind set. Even if little progress is made. > After all, you get more advantages from learning the way other screen > readers work. > I can see where the option might be useful, but if you don't learn it full > force and always stay trapped in the way jaws works, then you'll never > expand your horizons. > people come to linux expecting it to be something like windows. Its not and > it probably never will be similar to windows. Its made for you to explore, > etc. > I was forced in using linux due to an accident I had with my computer. That > was fine by me though. Ever since then I prefer the unix variances weather > is be linux or mac. > I'm no programmer by any means, but I do enjoy working with other operating > systems. > The argument that only techies spend the time to learn new keyboard commands > is always widely used. I consider that as an excuse. Everyone can learn how > to use a device weather it be a phone or computer. Maybe the person may have > difficulty and may not excel where in mastering it, but thats ok. You can > apply this to any situation. > If we were to stop learning? Then we would never excel and stay trapped in > the mind frame that this or that is to hard. > Learn while you still can. Once you get older it gets harder to learn and > thats where it might be a problem. > > Alonzo > > > On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Glenn <glennervin at cableone.net> wrote: > >> That is the kind of thinking that will keep Linux in the shadows. >> I teach people how to use screenreaders, and people have a hard enough >> time >> switching from the mouse to all these keyboard commands. >> When people begrudgingly learn JFW keyboard mappings to some degree, do >> you >> think they will willing go out to learn different key mappings? >> Only the techie types do that. >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com> >> To: "Glenn" <glennervin at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for >> Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:39 PM >> Subject: Re: speakup todo? >> >> >> I'm not really to worried about JFW key mappings honestly. First it's >> sort of weird, but mainly if they can't get used to using different >> keys, they're never going to live on Linux, at least not in the cli. >> On 9/16/2012 2:34 PM, Glenn wrote: >>> The big one for SpeakUp would be for it to have the option to switch to >>> JFW >>> key mappings. >>> This will allow many people to switch to Linux easily. >>> Microsoft did this with MS Word, allowing people to use Word Perfect key >>> mappings. >>> I think this is the only way Linux will ever become any more popular to >>> screenreader users. >>> Glenn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:17 PM >>> Subject: speakup todo? >>> >>> >>> Hello all: >>> I'm trying to transfer, and applying for scholarships and all that I'd >>> like to be able to make some contributions to projects that I can note. >>> I'm interested in learning more about kernel programming, and I figured >>> I'd start by working on something I use almost daily. I'm curious then >>> if there's some sort of todo or improvements speakup could have to it. >>> I'd also be curious if someone has thought about moving it to >>> userspace--as far as I know, the only thing that we really need the >>> kernel for would be hardware speech (and since serial ports are dying >>> out that could be a dead point), and accessing the console directly. How >>> easy would it be then, to have speakup run in userspace, but access a >>> smaller cut-down version of itself in the kernel to provide the access >>> to the console we need? >>> We could use sequence files and access the console through /proc. It >>> could return a file of 2-byte chars, which I believe is how it works >>> now--one byte is the color, and the other byte is the ascii value. The >>> sequence file would just iterate over the console's lines. I'm also >>> curious how we'd handle something like key presses like caps+u to move >>> up a line etc. >>> >>> If I'm way off here, I'd still like to help out if possible; is there a >>> todo list around, or stuff people would like to see done? If there are >>> people willing to answer questions from time to time in terms of the >>> kernel programming, since that's something I've not done before, I'm >>> game to start coding. >>> >>> Another question is then, how do people catch panics? Since I'm not >>> quite cool enough to write code that just works, I'm sure I'll be >>> dealing with panics, but I can't see them on the console and usually >>> it's when speakup goes boom anyway. >>> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> The aspen project: a barebones light-weight mud engine: >> http://code.google.com/p/aspenmud >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net The aspen project: a barebones light-weight mud engine: http://code.google.com/p/aspenmud He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
