use it but Gene Collins and a number of other folks on the list do use it. As far as cvs goes, the problem you are having is caused by your friends isp not resloving a reverse lookup on his/her ip address. When you connect to the cvs server it does a reverse lookup on the address. It takes that returned host.domain name and then resolves it forward. If it does not resolve then it assumes someone is doing ip spoofing and refuses to talk any further. We have been discussing a new speakup release recently on the reflector. If it looks like the speakup hooks are going to stay in the kernel then we will create a new release. Cvs will then only work with kernels newer than the release snap shot. If speakup does not stay in the kernel then I would still like to get modularization of the synth drivers in place before I make a new release. But! while we are on the subject of releases, we need to take a public vote. Should the next release of speakup whenever it is released be version 0.11 or as some folks are arguing 1.0? I'll put it to a vote because it seems quite a few people have an opinion on the subject. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup