I did get a kernel crash with 2.6.36 and although it may not be speakup, I do suspect it because of my hack in serialio.c to get speakout to work. And since I could not load the nvidia drivers I have gone back to my older kernel. My modprobe of nvidia gives invalid argument. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici at ccs.covici.com