Well, yes, pine--and-now alpine work well for reading news, or even grabbing yenc encoded binaries--and-I can certainly tell you about that if you like. While pine or alpine can thread messages, I like to read an index of a news group in trn, however, we were hardly able to install in FC9. Pine, well, sure you want to make changes, first disable menu at the bottom. Then 1 thing you cannot do in trn, but in pine you can change settings for how much quoting you will see. I find that `extremely useful to have my quoting set a minus 10, so I hear none. Hope that helps Hart