Now this is serious, I am replying to my reply. How lazy can one get. What I was going to mention in my previous note but forgot is that speakup has changed the way it works so that the synth wanted must be specified on the kernel command line like: speakup.synth=ltlk. I don't know how Fedora does this; I don't use Fedora. What most folks do is place an append line in their boot loaders config file to do the kcl thang automagicly. Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061