I am doing a simple test because I think I broke the mailing lists. Well, actually I didn't debian did by deciding to remove exim3 and mailman because in their opinion they were out of date. They seemed to be working just fine till they removed them however. Anyway, I've installed postfix and I think I fixed it good! 'grin' Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061