Hey, I don't know. I'm running unstable, and orca and gnome and all were running fine. But a couple of weeks ago there was a major upgrade and I basically lost my Xwindows completely. when I try to fix it, I get "broken packages". Haven't gotten real upset about it because (1) I use linux mostly in text console and do my gui stuff in Mac and windows; and (2) if you're going to run unstable you have to be prepared for just about anything!!! Of course that doesn't solve your lenny problem but maybe it's related somehow. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."