To make something very clear which it may not be because they sound the same when using most synths ircii is not irssi which there is also a debian package for. The nice thing about 'i r s s i' is your various open channels and msgs can have separate windows just like tabs in a web browser or virtual consoles so you can have many conversations going on in different windows at the same time. A feature I'd hate to go back to not having. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061