I'm personally not a big fan of wiki-based documentation...It does kind of help keep documentation current, but it also produces a lot of bad docs (users posting incorrect solutions to problems, poor organization, etc) unless it has someone who makes a point of keeping the wiki organized and making sure the information is good. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 07:01:59AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Keeping the information up to date is crucial here. I think I like > the wiki idea once people learn how to use it, it might be a lot > easier to keep stuff current. I also agree that a snapshot should be > made available frequently. With so many distros not including a > speakup-patched kernel, this may be the next best alternative and if > somebody has to go to git to pull down an experimental version of > speakup, it could be a real turn-off. Again, many new-comers probably > haven't a clue about compiling kernels yet and they want a talking > Linux to try out. > > I think Bill Acker has done a commendable job at keeping up with the > speakup-modified kernels for the Fedora distributions. I also commend > Pat and the Slackware folks for keeping speakup in their kernels > also. Since I'm a Slackware user, I should keep more involved with > them to be sure it stays that way. > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:53:44AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > One thing that I think is in desperate need of being addressed is making > > other developers aware that Speakup exists, greatly increases > > accessibility, and can easily be installed into a production kernel. I > > have two specific reasons for saying this. First, there are very few > > distros which include Speakup as part of their official kernel and > > installer images. Unless I'm mistaken, Debian doesn't include it > > officially now and the unofficial install image isn't current. I would > > strongly recommend against anyone using the unofficial Etch kernel with > > Speakup because it hasn't been updated since the release of Etch and has > > known security flaws that aren't fixed. Most of the smaller and lesser > > known distros don't include Speakup either even though there is no good > > reason not to include it. I have thought about using various > > specialized distros designed to replace hardware routers and firewalls > > but I'm not aware of any that include Speakup. Obviously the point > > would be to keep the distro small but it could still be built into the > > kernel. > > > > The second reason may be of less interest to people here but I think > > it's important just the same. That is to make commercial projects that > > are based on the Linux kernel also aware of Speakup. Specifically, I'm > > working with a company that makes backup imaging software for DOS, > > Windows, and Linux. It is possible but difficult to use the DOS version > > with a screen reader. I suggested that they could build Speakup into > > the Linux version and it would be accessible out of the box. They > > seemed interested but I think the project is stalled because the site is > > not current. I didn't know at the time, but apparently Speakup had > > already switched to git and there was no mention of that in the old CVS > > repository. Apparently they found the new git repo but I don't know how > > because I wasn't aware of it until Kirk posted the url here. It makes > > it difficult to push for better accessibility when the site is very old > > and the project looks abandoned. While I'm here, I would also like to > > suggest putting a link to the most current release (maybe a snapshot > > made nightly from git?) and the most recent stable release right on the > > home page. Many people, especially the developers described above, > > don't have time to browse through a site just to find a download link. > > Since most people consider it a favor to include any kind of > > accessibility in their particular distro's kernel, they really don't > > understand what Speakup is except that it's supposed to help the blind. > > Maybe a mp3 demo of someone using Speakup for daily tasks would be good. > > > > Dawes, Stephen wrote: > > > What do you want to see in a revitalized Web site? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIDe/XWSjv55S0LfERA+2bAKDnT9zsBdBTNDdHfXLxB3hdlMeAeQCfVGv5 > C48oBD+t4BmZGIPbNcoHc10= > =syhr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it. -- from Lars Wirzenius' .sig
