Right John, I agree but have to disagree too. I have started helping for the first time a site that I run software for my router off of. It is called www.xwrt.org they make a web interface for Wrt project which can be found at http://www.openwrt.org. But working for instance with a wiki is a bit of a trick. That seems to be about how 90% (percent) of the open source docs are kept. Now as for speakup, I do not use Speakup I do all admin chores remotely through a Windows computer which works fine for me. So as for Speakup I don't use it but like to keep current on it. I don't know how to program in Linux at all. I don't expect Kirk to do everything either but it is very good to voice. That might just be how the Speakup gets changed at some point. I myself would like to see Speakup in the kernel and user space we would have the best of both world. TTFN, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Software speech opinions > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: Software speech opinions > > >>> I would ask people spouting off in this thread to ask themselves what >>> *they* >>> have contributed. It seems to me that a lot of people are making >>> suggestions >>> for what other people should do or sell. >>> >>> Say the best thing to do is to move speakup into user space. How is that >>> going to get done? I guess we're all going to volunteer Kirk to do it. >>> Eh? >> >> You seem to be saying that the mere users should keep their traps shut > > I never said anything of the sort. > >>. In real life, a good majority of the people who use computers will know >>little or nothing about how to fix the problems that arise. Do you really >>propose that these people, such as my wife, have no business complaining >>or >>suggesting because they're not ultranerds? > > Well, sort of, yeah. Pointing out problems is one thing. Complaining is > another. And telling other people what they should do to solve your > problems > is yet another thing entirely. > > But anyway, my main point was to suggest that people ask themselves what > they've contributed to the open source community. Even if you're not a > coder, you can write documentation, maintain a web site, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.9/870 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 > 10:07 AM > >