Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently. If someone will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try to fix it or at least hunt it down. I must use my system differently than other folks somehow. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061