hmmm. it's alot like navigating ms windows. don't think you'll get the use of your windows logo key for neat little functions though unless of course someone's decided to fiddle a little. oh and forget about speech during install using ubiquity too. according to the property sheet, the damned thing uses a qt user interface. and so far as I know orca don't talk under qt if I'm wrong or it can be set to using gtk, I'd appreciate being pointed somewhat in the right direction. thanks all in advance. -- Shaun Oliver gORT: "I plan to have an intergalactic war to end all intergalactic wars! it'll be planet against planet, world against world, star against star! NO ONE WILL SURVIVE!" Cremon: "But what if it rains?" Gort: "Then it'll be held indoors. It's too late to cancel now anyway, tickets were sold out weeks ago." Cremon of the star corps.