Nick, My own hope is that Shane will prepare a speakup-enabled netinstall image for etch, as he did for sarge. The sarge iso was released just before sarge became stable, and now etch is scheduled to replace sarge as the stable version in December. Shane's earlier effort was a great aid to many users, myself included, and I would love to see a version for etch when it becomes feasible. Chuck -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh