Yes I added gnome and xorg and would have done better to have left them out. Thanks much for the pointer I'll check this out in a few and see what happens. What would really be helpful for linux booting programs be they lilo or grub or whatever replaces them would be a pair of pc speaker beeps one to happen as the boot: command line becomes available and a second to happen when the boot: command line is no longer available. Alternatively the first might happen when keystrokes to enable a boot: line will be accepted. So far as I know not something already built into either so it happens by default.