There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone). While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been visually designed so could never be accessible). I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone disagrees with what I have said. From Michael Whapples ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone >I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible. In our case >tthough, we needed the functionality. > > It's new, many things start out as new. Hopefully it'lll catch on and > then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded. >