Karen, I did not mean to suggest that anything I said could solve your problem, but I hoped it might add to the context of text mode conferencing in Linux. If your folks are using a proprietary protocol that relies on java, you might very well be obliged to use a proprietary client that their service supports. As others have said, the problem with proprietary formats and protocols is that their owners do not want others to be able to use them, and so the only Linux solutions you will find will be those that have been reverse engineered without the permission of the owners. And such solutions are guaranteed to become outdated and inoperable as soon as the owners of the protocol decide to change their specs to exclude them. I think the bottom line of my earlier post would be that text mode conferencing works in Linux with open source GPL tools, but the issue of interacting with proprietary formats is iffy at best. I am not sure why you are hesitant to recommend to the AIR people that they switch to an open protocol that does not dictate which OS and which client their participants must use. Jabber would be one such open service, and it is all free for the asking. Chuck -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (73% of Full) But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh or you could Jabber me, using JID chuckh at hhs48.com