No it does not ship with it you can use it with it meanning that it will install the software if you have it but it is not included. Sorry to disappoint you -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Hart Larry Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:17 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: RE: Installing linux using speakup? Well, Jim, from looking at an oralux page, I think it ships with versions 4.61 and 5 of dec-talk Hart _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup