Thanks for the tips. I have been subscribed to the debian users list (and others) but am slipping behind in reading the postings. They are running around 200 messages a day, plus or minus. And I just cannot bring myself to delete stuff without reading it first! Bad habit. -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full) But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh