Hmm, I don't think I have the attitude that "oo, now Mac can talk" and I am certainly not blind to vo's shortcomings. However, I'm extremely pleased with some of the things I'm able to do with it after only a week of work with it. I'm not discarding my linux tools but I'm certainly pleased to have it as yet another option. I don't think there is any one browser out there that meets all of our needs and of course some of the issue is also with how websites are constructed. Until the day comes when I find something that really handles everything, I value all the tools I've found. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."