Also, don't get discouraged, you just may need to find some blind folks running Debian, rather than Fedora, which seems to be the orientation of many on this listserv. You're at the bottom of a very steep learning curve, and many of the people who were early adopters of this sort of Operating System are/were computer professionals, and what we find hard, they've taken as second nature. Also, there's a quite understandable ethos here just as it used to be, and probably still is in Amateur Radio, and many other fields of endeavor: we learned it the hard way through application of study, and critical thinking, and so should you! That's what is commonly referred to as "tough love". If you can't think your way out of a corner and are constantly going to be relying on others before they've seen that you've systematically tried your best, and have applied some systematic rigor to determining a solution to your problem, people actually doing things with this OS, probably aren't going to disrupt what they're doing to help you. However, if people see you've given it a sincere effort, I've found they usually pitch in. Also, this being the climax of the Holiday Season, you'vepicked a helluva hard time to get people out of family activities and finishing of what is for many of us, the end of a well deserved break from work. So, if you can't cope with and rationalize such realities, perhaps Linux isn't the OS you're ready for right now. W. Nick Dotson On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:59:58 -0500, Eric Kosten wrote: Glenn, I am a new user as well and well, find some man pages to be criptic. You have looked and looked, but do you have any modules for this sb live if I remember loading at startup? Eric _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup